Now that the impeachment is ongoing, we got in touch with Senator Clarkson again.
Senator, are you convinced that Trump should be convicted?
-Not yet. There are elements of insurrection and going against democracy in his behavior. But not enough to convict him.
So under what conditions would you convict him?
-If he had actually stopped the steal, asked and succeeded in getting Mike Pence to reject the electoral college votes and had been sworn in as president.
So if he had been sworn in for a second term, you would impeach him?
-Probably. Especially if he had marched down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol with the insurrectionists.
And then you would swear in Mike Pence as president, the guy who had torn up the electoral votes at that point?
-Yes, that is what would have happened. Pence would be president after we removed Trump.
Would we not need to impeach Pence too, then?
-Absolutely not.
Those things might not have happened if the insurrectionists had harmed Pence, or you yourself. None of this is enough to change your mind about impeaching Trump now?
-No, not at all. Trump was only one factor here.
OK, then. We at the Kari Report disagree. We see this insurrection as Trump's final gift to you and the Republican party. May he never come back.
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